{"id":18380,"date":"2024-10-19T14:13:27","date_gmt":"2024-10-19T12:13:27","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/zawia3.com\/?p=18380"},"modified":"2026-10-08T23:30:46","modified_gmt":"2026-10-08T21:30:46","slug":"asmaamahfouz","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/zawia3.com\/en\/asmaamahfouz\/","title":{"rendered":"Asmaa Mahfouz: January&#8217;s Slogans Were Not Achieved and the Authorities Fear the Opposition (Interview)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>After a ten-year absence from the political scene, Asmaa Mahfouz, a political activist and one of the most prominent symbols of the January 2011 revolution, has returned to find herself the subject of debate after taking part in National Dialogue sessions. Despite having previously been banned from travel and suffering smear campaigns, Mahfouz now faces accusations of cooperating with the authorities and abandoning her ideas.<\/p>\n<p>Mahfouz stresses that she has not retreated from her convictions, but considers confrontation with the authorities unhelpful, and says she has learned to criticise conditions in a more balanced way. She adds that merely taking part in the National Dialogue is a gain, even if it does not lead to immediate changes.<\/p>\n<p>Zawia3 interviewed Asmaa Mahfouz after years away from the spotlight; here are the details of the interview&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Recommended reading:<\/strong> <a href=\"https:\/\/zawia3.com\/%d8%ac%d9%85%d8%a7%d9%84-%d8%b9%d9%8a%d8%af-%d8%a8%d8%b9%d8%b6-%d9%85%d8%a4%d9%8a%d8%af%d9%8a-%d8%a7%d9%84%d9%86%d8%b8%d8%a7%d9%85-%d9%8a%d8%a4%d9%8a%d8%af%d9%88%d9%86%d9%87-%d8%ae%d9%88%d9%81%d9%8b\/\">Gamal Eid: Some Regime Supporters Back It Out of Fear&#8230; Rule Cannot Continue Through Repression and Impoverishment (Interview)<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>Asmaa Mahfouz disappeared from the political and public scene in Egypt for years&#8230; Why?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>For more than one reason. The first was marriage in 2012, after Mohamed Morsi won the presidential election. At that time I was against holding the presidential election; I believed in the constitution first and then holding elections. But I felt that people knew what they wanted, and I saw celebrations in the street, so I decided to get married and take a truce.<\/p>\n<p>I had my first daughter shortly after marriage. Then came Tamarod and the Rabaa events, and I felt it was a period of strife; people had become extremely hostile, smear campaigns increased, and the environment was not suitable for being present on the political scene, so I decided to take a step back and devote my effort to my family.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Are you still banned from travel? What is the background to the matter and how did it end? And how has this ban affected your life?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I had my first daughter, Alia, in Kuwait, because my husband was working there as a doctor. I was asked in a friendly way to return to Cairo because the Egyptian government wanted me, and when I returned I was surprised to be told I was not wanted, so I tried to go back to my husband in Kuwait. The first time, I found myself banned from entering Kuwait, and when I tried to resolve that ban I was surprised to find I was banned from travel, without a case or papers proving it; all that happens is that when I arrive at the airport I am told I am banned from travel.<\/p>\n<p>I took every legal route to resolve the crisis, and all the responses were unlawful. For example, the State Council ruled it had no jurisdiction, the Public Prosecutor said the decision did not come from him, and at the Passports Sector of the Ministry of Interior I was told the matter did not concern them. Now it is said verbally that I am not banned from travel, but I have not tried to travel.<\/p>\n<p>Its effect on my life was terrible. My husband had to live without me in Kuwait for ten years, working to provide a decent life for us, coming to Cairo on a one- or two-week holiday every six months, and we had to make an enormous effort to preserve our married life with that distance, until he decided to settle in Egypt; after that our married life began to stabilise.<\/p>\n<p><strong>For years you were on the left of the authorities&#8230; How would you define your position towards them now?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>It can be said that I decided not to engage in confrontation with the authorities, but I have criticisms of their performance, and I try to express them in a calm, appropriate and realistic way, for several reasons: the opposition does not live safely in the current climate, and I have children, so I cannot enter into a confrontation with the authorities, even peacefully, because even verbal confrontation with the authorities is not workable at present. I am not with the authorities, but I try to be balanced in my opinions.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Recommended reading:<\/strong> <a href=\"https:\/\/zawia3.com\/tantawi-2\/\">Ahmed Tantawy: Egypt Needs an Alternative to Both the Authorities and the Opposition (Interview)<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>Is there a plan for you to join the Party Youth Coordination or any other political entities?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I have no explicit plan, but I am open to it, and I have not yet decided what I will do in the future, because I am still at the beginning of my return to political life, which I stayed away from for ten years or more, during which I was only an observer.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Your comment on what is being said about your cooperation with officials in the current regime, turning against your ideas and orientations? And if there is cooperation, what form does it take?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I hear this talk a lot, and my response is that Asmaa Mahfouz has not changed, but like any human being I develop and try to reach the best version of myself. I have not turned against my ideas at all, but every time has its style and tools: the time of the January revolution and the opposition to the regime before it was a stage with its own tools, and now reality is different and the tools are different, since society itself has become different.<\/p>\n<p>There is no direct cooperation between me and the authorities, but I find courteous treatment at any government body I deal with. Other than that, there is no direct cooperation with any body, nor any body that moves me, dictates what I say or gives me orders.<\/p>\n<p><strong>And how do you assess the results of the National Dialogue in which you took part?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I took part in more than one session, whether as a speaker or a listener. From the beginning I encouraged the idea of the National Dialogue and asked to attend, because I liked the idea. The idea of dialogue itself is for the authorities to listen to us, and it is not necessary for them to implement what we say the first time. I also admired the inclusion of different entities and people to the degree I saw in the National Dialogue, because it provided space for good interaction among us; there were people who had criticised me before whom I met behind the scenes, and as the interaction continued each of us came to see the other differently. I see this as progress and a step forward in realising that, despite our differences, we are all from Egypt, we have rights, and we must listen to each other. In front of the cameras, presenting our ideas our own way was a step towards changing the smears that had targeted us for many years on the authorities&#8217; own channels and tools, and reaching the point where the authorities listen to our ideas was important. We managed to come out with recommendations praised by the head of state himself, which is an important step. They have not been implemented, yes, but we can tell the opponents of these recommendations that the head of state himself praised them, and we are currently trying to press for their implementation. I look forward to a second National Dialogue that builds on the first.<\/p>\n<p><iframe title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/ofbj5R35iQ8?si=yuhqoxYKlcXLUMtu&amp;start=1200\" width=\"560\" height=\"500\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><strong>Recommended reading:<\/strong> <a href=\"https:\/\/zawia3.com\/malek-adly\/\">Malek Adly: The Pretrial Detention Crisis Does Not Need a National Dialogue (Interview)<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>Freedoms and the human rights and political situation: how do you assess the authorities&#8217; performance on them now?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>This is the file in which I criticise the authorities&#8217; performance most, and I always say so to the authorities themselves, whether in what I write or in any meeting. Enough prisoners of conscience, enough of the prisoners&#8217; lives lost inside prisons from 2011 until now; there are people who stayed in prison while we lived, married and had children; their lives and their families&#8217; lives were wasted, which is a great injustice. With the crisis of imprisoning citizens merely for opposing the authorities and charging them with offences such as belonging to terrorist groups, the state will not advance a single step as long as injustice is being applied.<\/p>\n<p><iframe title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/0-OBs7jgb9s?si=LVoHN3xuVqQ1HinD&amp;start=1200\" width=\"560\" height=\"500\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><strong>The number of detainees in the regime&#8217;s prisons is growing, while others languish in its depths, perhaps most prominently Alaa Abdel Fattah. How do you see the regime&#8217;s treatment of Alaa?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Alaa is supposed to have completed his prison term, but to this moment he has not been released, and justifications are being found to extend his imprisonment, and I do not know why. Is he being punished for the past? I do not know how long the revenge against Alaa Abdel Fattah and his family will continue, or the revenge against an entire generation, because Alaa Abdel Fattah represents an entire generation, the January generation. I say to the authorities: what Alaa Abdel Fattah has served is enough, because extending his imprisonment will win you nothing, and it will not break the January generation; on the contrary, people stumble but rise again. Fear of Alaa&#8217;s release, or of the word, does not express the strength of the state; what expresses its strength is not fearing the opposition. They must release Alaa and other prisoners of conscience and not fear their opposition, because this is what shows the strength of the state.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Recommended reading:<\/strong> <a href=\"https:\/\/zawia3.com\/khaled-dawoud\/\">Khaled Dawoud: 10 Years of Oversight Bodies Failing to Hold the Authorities Accountable (Interview)<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>If you became a member of the Presidential Pardon Committee, which names would you be keen to put at the top of the list first?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I think that without thinking I would put the names of our friends whom we know personally, and I will not say this is not bias. If I were a member of the committee, I would research the names of all the detainees, look inside the files at the body that arrested each one, and speak about them in every forum to say that these people have absolutely nothing to do with the charges or circumstances for which they were arrested. There are people who were arrested from their homes without having written a single word on social media or taken part in a demonstration, and there are children who were arrested at peaceful demonstrations.<\/p>\n<p>I would like to meet President Abdel Fattah El-Sisi again and tell him that I will bring the names of all the prisoners and prove to you in every way that they are not criminals, that these people are the women, men and young people of Egypt who have rights, and that insisting on keeping them in prison is unjust. I still think the president may not know anything about them and that the reports presented to him are marred by errors. If I were on the committee, I would go into the National Security Agency with its officers and examine the files to prove that these prisoners are not criminals.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tell us about your vision for the next parliament, and your intention to run in the elections for a seat? Do you think there are alliances with figures among the symbols of January, giving them more space as a recycling of spaces?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I do not know of any alliances between bodies or people from the symbols of January and the authorities, but I believe this is an appropriate time for parties and entities to sit together to coordinate. I have heard of sessions already held for this, but most of what is said is that they know nothing about the outcome of the law expected to be approved this month, whether it keeps the old system under which the last elections were held or is amended in line with the demands of political forces. I do not know what the alliances will look like. As for me, I look forward to running, whether through alliances or on lists; it is difficult for me to run as an individual candidate. I have announced in many circles that I look forward to running in the elections and am interested in the next parliament, and I see it as more important than the 2012 parliament; most of us have become mature enough to know that the boycott we often adopted was not useful, but rather harmed us. I see this as the best time for us to run in elections and attract as many people to us as possible. We will see how many seats we win in parliament, and next time we can achieve a bigger win, support members with balanced views inside parliament, and have some good dialogue with the authorities.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Recommended reading:<\/strong> <a href=\"https:\/\/zawia3.com\/hisham-kassem\/\">Hisham Kassem: Anyone Who Approaches the Presidency File Is Jailed (Interview)<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>Specifically, there has been talk of Ahmed Maher turning the April 6 Movement into a political party&#8230; Is this true, and would you join if the party is launched?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>There is always talk of turning the April 6 Movement into a political party, and Ahmed told me many people suggest it to him. From my point of view, I do not object, but I have not yet decided whether to join, because I have never joined a political party before, and I find it difficult because parties have many restrictions and I like to move freely. This was the reason for many disagreements with former members of the movement, because I cannot accept the restrictions that exist in political entities.<\/p>\n<p><strong>And what is your relationship now with the old young symbols of January, such as Ahmed Maher, Esraa Abdel Fattah and others?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>My relationship with Ahmed Maher and Esraa Abdel Fattah is still the same; we are friends and talk from time to time. We disagree a lot and agree a lot, and we always discuss developments and our political positions, disagreeing or agreeing, and sometimes we criticise each other, but the personal relationship stays apart from that, as is the case with many of the January youth.<\/p>\n<p><strong>The last presidential election battle was decisive on all levels; Ahmed Tantawy waged a fight in it that led to his imprisonment. Tell us your view of it.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The previous presidential election was managed by the authorities in a completely wrong way. The authorities have fears that may be legitimate, but they were basically unfounded, because the authorities and the current president have their tools and very broad powers, with which he was guaranteed a large bloc of votes whether the opposition, of which I am part, liked it or not. Ahmed Tantawy did not enter the battle alone, but with a number of figures, though he completed it alone. The authorities feared he would have the largest bloc of votes, and although he could not overcome the obstacle of endorsements, in my view, had this battle been completed to the end and Tantawy lost after the endorsements, it would have been a gain for the authorities, and for the opposition that it had completed the battle to the end. But what happened is a loss for the authorities themselves, because they lost the legitimacy of the election itself. I toured a number of committees and notary offices, and apart from the thuggery by the ruling party, the excuse that &#8220;the system is down&#8221; and works only for their supporters created a farcical picture. I believe the authorities did not need that picture, and if they had allowed spaces to open, it would have been better. In the end, the regime&#8217;s supporters are more numerous, so the current president would have won in any case, but there would have been a real battle.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Recommended reading:<\/strong> <a href=\"https:\/\/zawia3.com\/%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%b7%d8%b1%d9%8a%d9%82-%d8%a5%d9%84%d9%89-%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%b5%d9%86%d8%af%d9%88%d9%82-%d9%85%d9%81%d8%b1%d9%88%d8%b6-%d8%a8%d8%a7%d9%84%d9%85%d8%ad%d8%a7%d9%83%d9%85%d8%a7%d8%aa-%d8%a7\/\">The Road to the Ballot Box Is Paved with Trials&#8230; Tantawy Joins the List of Defendants<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>Your comment on the ban on demonstrations, or on any expression of anger? Do you see that as a healthy climate amid economic crises? And have Egyptian police policies improved?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I am against banning demonstrations. They can be organised so they do not turn into chaos or get exploited, but the idea of not venting feelings and anger is unacceptable. For example, on the Gaza war, citizens needed to go out into the street, demonstrate and express their rejection of the ongoing war. The current repression will lead to disaster, and arresting some individuals who held a protest stand a year after the Gaza war is farcical, even though the regime stresses in all its dialogues that the state values young people&#8217;s voices; this is not true. In all strong countries citizens demonstrate peacefully, and we were against the repression of some demonstrations in Western countries. I cannot understand the mentality of authorities that arrest five young people who stood in the street with signs that harm no one, and then release them on bail of EGP 5,000. In whose interest? Regarding police policies, there are differences in their policies at some police stations and among some officers, but there are others who still deal with citizens with the same mentality of contempt and arrogance. As for the police&#8217;s treatment of demonstrators, or the political side of the police, it has not changed, as seen in the demonstrations at the start of the war on Gaza: although the head of state himself called for them, at the first chant that departed from the script drawn up by the state, the treatment was extremely bad, and the same thugs&#8217; faces appeared, unchanged. Over the years we will reach the same scenario as Mubarak, which harms both sides, the authorities and the citizen, because we are not in a position to bear a repeat of the same scenario. That is why I always say citizens must be treated decently: listen to your opponents, not only to your supporters.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Recommended reading:<\/strong> <a href=\"https:\/\/zawia3.com\/power-strategies\/\">Fake Protests and Real Repression: The Authorities&#8217; Strategies in Egypt<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>Your assessment of Egypt&#8217;s policy towards the Gaza war in general, especially since it has not taken a position on arming the occupation, even though countries that support it have commented on that?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I am very sensitive about the Gaza issue, and I think we all feel extremely helpless because we cannot even go out to demonstrate. The Egyptian authorities say all the time that they support the cause, but I need to understand how they claim to support it while cooperating economically with Tel Aviv, while on the other hand any demonstration in support of Gaza is banned. So where are we? It is striking that when we object and say this does not represent support for Gaza, the response is that there is a war, that the whole region around us is on fire, and that there are attempts to drag us into war. I certainly agree with that, but a decisive position must be taken, whether on the Rafah crossing, on bringing in aid, or even a verbal position. Mubarak&#8217;s position, which I opposed for many years, was verbally better than the current regime&#8217;s position; now even the statements are weak. Is this fear? Is it normal for our brothers and sisters to be killed and the only position we take is to prevent them from entering Egypt? This is a contradiction I want to understand.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Do you expect new constitutional amendments for an additional presidential extension?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I have no information about that. The talk that no president leaves Egypt except through death or revolution is harmful to Egypt, and we will return again to the excuse on which the authorities hang everything, that we have a strategic war around us and must continue with the same president. This is not a solution. On the other hand, there is news of attempts to create second or third ranks, even if they are faces we oppose, and this is a sign of hope, because continuing with the same person in the presidency is a very bad scenario.<\/p>\n<p><iframe title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/IuZxjPCDkvY?si=8hogO-_czNt5OEcx&amp;start=1200\" width=\"560\" height=\"500\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><strong>The slogans of January, of which you are one of the symbols, were (bread, freedom, social justice&#8230;). Have they been achieved under the Sisi regime?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Unfortunately not. I do not see the policy the authorities follow leading to that. The middle class itself is disappearing and struggling to secure a living, and if the middle class is suffering like this, what about the poor? There is a problem of priorities; the authorities&#8217; priorities are not in the interest of the poor, which suggests we are in real danger.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Is a reconciliation with the Brotherhood imminent?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The truth is that I hope for this reconciliation, socially, not political empowerment, because they are outcasts, whether in prisons or exiled inside or outside the country. I am not with the policy of everyone fighting everyone. Those who deserve punishment are the violent and terrorist political faction, but the rest of the Brotherhood, who number in the thousands, should not be punished or treated with this hostility. I was against what happened at Rabaa Al-Adawiya, and the blood that will haunt us all our lives was not the best solution; in my opinion, the best solution for the authorities is political and social reconciliation.<\/p>\n<p><strong>A few days ago, the prime minister announced that Egypt may move to declare a war economy. How do you see the scene, especially since some say we have actually been practising war economics since January?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>There is a joke I heard today that I cannot ignore: someone says we will be forced into a war economy, and another person replies with a question: do we have a war? The first replies: and do we have an economy? It is known that the Egyptian economy faces challenges, but it is not acceptable to hang that on the war, because we are in a continuing war whose impact has extended to the Suez Canal. That is the only reason for what is happening; we have challenges, files and experts who propose visions for solutions that can be implemented and worked on, instead of working to frighten people with a war economy.<\/p>\n<p><strong>The current regime is accused of swapping Gulf debts for Egypt&#8217;s assets for the first time, while there are strong signs that the foreign currency crisis in banks has not ended and of a new flotation&#8230; Do you support the sale deals?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>We all feel sad about these deals. The authorities say they are the only solution. In my opinion, the solution is to encourage investment in Egypt; the authorities say they have opened this file and are working on it, but there is no one working on it. The regime must work more on the investment file and encourage young people to work. We have competencies and experts in many industries that would lead to exports, which is the only way to get the economy out of its crises.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Recommended reading:<\/strong> <a href=\"https:\/\/zawia3.com\/asset-liquidation\/\">Liquidating Assets: Is Egypt Selling Its Property to Pay Off Debt?<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>More loans and more deals selling assets in strategic areas: does this really support the economy? When will it stop? What mistake has the regime made, and how do we get out of it?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I think the only solution to this crisis is ordering priorities; the regime places its priorities in matters that are not beneficial now. We must focus on Egyptian industries and move away from consumption and from projects that are not urgent now. For example, the New Administrative Capital project and the monorail are not priorities. There are important infrastructure projects, but the focus should have been on more important projects with economic benefit, and as long as we resorted to borrowing, the borrowing should have been directed to the current crises and to projects that lift the Egyptian economy.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Regarding Egypt&#8217;s foreign policy, how do you assess the Egypt\/Ethiopia file amid Ethiopia&#8217;s continuing threats, especially since it is always said that the cause is the January revolution?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I reject blaming January for any problem. As for the Ethiopian file, we do not have all the information, but according to what we know, Cairo does not favour using violence. We face the challenge that Ethiopia is able to control some countries so that they stand with it against us, and I think the solution is for Egypt to form partnerships with other countries that could put pressure on Ethiopia, but it is not doing this in the best way.<\/p>\n<p><strong>But the current regime itself signed the Grand Ethiopian Renaissance Dam agreement, so how will it get us out of this predicament?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>We do not talk about the past; we deal with the reality and try to do the best thing. Egypt is moving with weak and shaky steps, which makes Ethiopia deal with us more aggressively, and we know who supports and helps Ethiopia, so we must support the countries that could form alliances against Ethiopia, without violence, because I agree with the authorities that war would be a last resort.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Do you see a military war in which Egypt is a party coming soon?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I hope this does not happen, and I see that the current authorities are trying to maintain this situation. I cannot talk about military affairs, because I do not have enough information. I agree with the authorities that war is the last option, but at the same time there must be a decisive position at all times, and no image should be projected suggesting that we are afraid, which is the image currently being projected.<\/p>\n<p><strong>The Rapid Support Forces have accused Egypt of taking part in the Sudan war, and the Egyptian authorities denied it. What do you think of Egypt&#8217;s handling of the Sudan file, especially the refugees who are being blamed for Egypt&#8217;s current crisis? Do you know of any plans for the return of the roughly one million Sudanese refugees who came to Egypt once the war ends?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I do not have enough information about Sudanese affairs and Cairo&#8217;s handling of them. I see that the authorities dealt decently with the refugee file, but recently there have been accusations and media pressure against refugees from the authorities&#8217; media, and demands to deport them. On a humanitarian level, I support the idea that Egypt is the mother country of the Arab world, extending its hand to all its guests even if they create pressure or crises, and I am happy that there are good developments in the Sudanese file and moves for the return of thousands of refugees.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Recommended reading:<\/strong> <a href=\"https:\/\/zawia3.com\/real-estate-in-egypt\/\">Analysis: Are Sudanese Really the Cause of Egypt&#8217;s Real Estate Crisis?<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>Are there any signs of Cairo emerging from its crises in a region ablaze with wars?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Cairo is running on divine support so far. Egypt will only be strong with a strong economy; then we can protect Egypt from any pressure. Unfortunately, we are suffering economically and the situation is heading towards further deterioration. I hope the authorities will listen to young people regarding economic visions and solutions, instead of always acting on their own ideas.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Which is more dangerous for the Egyptian state and the current regime&#8230; the political situation or the economic situation, and why?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The two are not far apart. I repeat that the state will only be strong through the strength of its economy, and this became very clear after the Gaza war; the whole war is economic, and we could not support Gaza because of our weak economic situation, and even the boycott was an attempt to weaken Tel Aviv and America economically because they control the world. We are very far from that, and we have no word we can impose; when that changes, no one will be able to impose economic deals on us or twist our arm. I know this will take years, but at least we should start economic partnerships with economically independent Arab countries.<\/p>\n<p><strong>The Warraq issue is a just cause whose people have been confronting the regime for about seven years, standing firm against demands for forced displacement&#8230; How do you analyse this file?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The authorities are dealing with the Warraq issue in the same old way that I hope they will abandon. Within the regime there are people with negotiating skills who should be called upon; the people of Warraq are citizens with rights, they must be listened to, and gains must be reached for both sides. Listening to them and giving them their rights will end the crisis with gains for both sides. As long as the authorities try to give them only what they want and treat them as if they were at war with them, the Warraq crisis will not be resolved.<\/p>\n<p><iframe title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/u5oO9cuTMK0?si=-W3VGUM0RnJ5ezbS&amp;start=1200\" width=\"560\" height=\"500\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><strong>Recommended reading:<\/strong> <a href=\"https:\/\/zawia3.com\/al-warak\/\">&#8220;We Will Not Leave&#8221;: Warraq Residents Face Forced Eviction&#8230; and Security Uses Excessive Force<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>You support the National Dialogue even without its recommendations being implemented&#8230; From your point of view, what is its use?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>We are dealing with a regime that still uses the old tools and language. I liken this to two people speaking two different languages and rejecting each other; if that continues, we will get nowhere. So it is necessary to try to communicate with the authorities in their language and obtain small successive gains, because they are the stronger party, until they feel safe communicating with us to reach a fair middle ground.<\/p>\n<p><strong>You were harassed on social media when you were on the left of the authorities, and you have been harassed while close to the authorities. How did your reaction differ in the two cases?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I have learned, and I no longer ask anyone not to attack me. I try to listen to others, especially those whose opinions I trust, and try to explain to them what I am doing. Those who attack me just for the sake of attacking, I do not care about. We are at a different stage, on a different path with its own tools. I still hold to my vision and dreams and have things to defend, but in a different way. 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